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	<title>Comments on: Steampunk</title>
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		<title>By: RKCharron</title>
		<link>http://bordersblog.com/scifi/2009/10/06/ann-aguirre-and-ilona-andrews/steampunk/comment-page-1/#comment-1874</link>
		<dc:creator>RKCharron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ann :)
Thanks for the post on steampunk &amp; the links.
I might add Cherie Priest's excellent post on steampunk: http://theclockworkcentury.com/?p=165
Mary Shelley's Frankenstein contains steampunk elements but doesn't qualify as steampunk.
:)
All the best,
RKCharron
xoxo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ann <img src='http://bordersblog.com/scifi/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Thanks for the post on steampunk &amp; the links.<br />
I might add Cherie Priest&#8217;s excellent post on steampunk: <a href="http://theclockworkcentury.com/?p=165" rel="nofollow">http://theclockworkcentury.com/?p=165</a><br />
Mary Shelley&#8217;s Frankenstein contains steampunk elements but doesn&#8217;t qualify as steampunk.<br />
 <img src='http://bordersblog.com/scifi/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
All the best,<br />
RKCharron<br />
xoxo</p>
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		<title>By: annaguirre</title>
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		<dc:creator>annaguirre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would totally be up for someone proving me wrong, though. Can you think of books that have steampunk punk elements, but don't really qualify as steampunk overall? I'm wracking my brain here, trying to playing devil's advocate against myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would totally be up for someone proving me wrong, though. Can you think of books that have steampunk punk elements, but don&#8217;t really qualify as steampunk overall? I&#8217;m wracking my brain here, trying to playing devil&#8217;s advocate against myself.</p>
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		<title>By: annaguirre</title>
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		<dc:creator>annaguirre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Van Helsing is on the Wiki list. I was surprised at first, but then I went, "Yeah, totally." 

I think what we're talking about is a search and replace kind of thing. Instead of magic, the author does a search and replace, changing things willy-nilly to give the world a steampunk feel. Unless the revision is carefully done, I just don't think it works. It has to be cohesive and internally consistent, not done as a superficial paint job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Van Helsing is on the Wiki list. I was surprised at first, but then I went, &#8220;Yeah, totally.&#8221; </p>
<p>I think what we&#8217;re talking about is a search and replace kind of thing. Instead of magic, the author does a search and replace, changing things willy-nilly to give the world a steampunk feel. Unless the revision is carefully done, I just don&#8217;t think it works. It has to be cohesive and internally consistent, not done as a superficial paint job.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivi Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivi Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Ann, but you're right. Not all fantasy is steampunk and it is those certain elements, the Victorian/Edwardian times with technology as advanced as ours that clearly places it in that realm.

What about Van Helsing.  Again, I would'nt have put it in the Steampunk realm, but really it is that.

Then really I think if an author starts to put those elements into their book, then that would indeed classify their book as steampunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Ann, but you&#8217;re right. Not all fantasy is steampunk and it is those certain elements, the Victorian/Edwardian times with technology as advanced as ours that clearly places it in that realm.</p>
<p>What about Van Helsing.  Again, I would&#8217;nt have put it in the Steampunk realm, but really it is that.</p>
<p>Then really I think if an author starts to put those elements into their book, then that would indeed classify their book as steampunk.</p>
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		<title>By: annaguirre</title>
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		<dc:creator>annaguirre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it's not sold. We'll see. The market may already have all the steampunk it wants! *g* 

And yes, you're totally right. I think if an author is like, hey, this stuff is hot. Let's add some dirigibles and steam-driven cars! It will show in the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s not sold. We&#8217;ll see. The market may already have all the steampunk it wants! *g* </p>
<p>And yes, you&#8217;re totally right. I think if an author is like, hey, this stuff is hot. Let&#8217;s add some dirigibles and steam-driven cars! It will show in the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for exploring this subject. I'm a real fan of steampunk and have found myself naturally adding elements of it to my current series. I'm concerned that it will appear to be "shoehorning" them in, as you put it, for that reason. Absolutely agree with you that the market will likely be saturated with steampunk by the time my series is ready for publication, so it's an iffy situation. 

I do feel very strongly that adding steampunk - or any "hot" concepts - to a novel just because they seem to make it marketable will show through. They'll make the story awkward and stilted. Perhaps that's the litmus test for my own novels. I'll leave it to my critique partners to see if it feels as natural to them as it does to me.

*Love* the concept behind Bronze Gods! Definitely looking forward to snapping it up and giving it a good read.

Thanks again,
Jessica Rosen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for exploring this subject. I&#8217;m a real fan of steampunk and have found myself naturally adding elements of it to my current series. I&#8217;m concerned that it will appear to be &#8220;shoehorning&#8221; them in, as you put it, for that reason. Absolutely agree with you that the market will likely be saturated with steampunk by the time my series is ready for publication, so it&#8217;s an iffy situation. </p>
<p>I do feel very strongly that adding steampunk - or any &#8220;hot&#8221; concepts - to a novel just because they seem to make it marketable will show through. They&#8217;ll make the story awkward and stilted. Perhaps that&#8217;s the litmus test for my own novels. I&#8217;ll leave it to my critique partners to see if it feels as natural to them as it does to me.</p>
<p>*Love* the concept behind Bronze Gods! Definitely looking forward to snapping it up and giving it a good read.</p>
<p>Thanks again,<br />
Jessica Rosen</p>
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		<title>By: annaguirre</title>
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		<dc:creator>annaguirre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would totally call Golden Compass and its brethren steampunk. By definition, I think all steampunk is also fantasy, but the reverse is clearly not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would totally call Golden Compass and its brethren steampunk. By definition, I think all steampunk is also fantasy, but the reverse is clearly not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivi Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivi Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, that's a tough question to answer...

I mean I look at say the Golden Compass, and to me I wouldn't classify it as steampunk, but fantasy, but it definitely has elements of steampunk in it.

Or it could be there is a ton of fantasy that I enjoy that I've been calling fantasy this whole time and in reality its steampunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, that&#8217;s a tough question to answer&#8230;</p>
<p>I mean I look at say the Golden Compass, and to me I wouldn&#8217;t classify it as steampunk, but fantasy, but it definitely has elements of steampunk in it.</p>
<p>Or it could be there is a ton of fantasy that I enjoy that I&#8217;ve been calling fantasy this whole time and in reality its steampunk.</p>
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