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	<title>Comments on: Ken and Kate Talk Film &amp; TV</title>
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		<title>By: kateelliott</title>
		<link>http://bordersblog.com/scifi/2009/09/25/kate-elliott-and-ken-scholes/ken-and-kate-talk-film-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-1660</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I thought there was much to like with District 9, and as I said I thought the mockumentary aspect was very very well done (Wikus is a well drawn character, although no one else really is).  If there is a sequel, as I suspect there may be, I will definitely go see it to see if some of my other questions are answered.

Alyssa, I think that is a completely reasonable critique of Firefly.  I liked it because I accepted it as a mash-up.  My biggest beef with Firefly is that they posit a Chinese dominant upper class but then we never see them, not even (I think) in the episode Ariel where if they had simply made most of the background characters of Asian descent (or more specifically Chinese, but whatever) you would have gotten a sense of that.  So - yeah.  But I do love the characters and the dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I thought there was much to like with District 9, and as I said I thought the mockumentary aspect was very very well done (Wikus is a well drawn character, although no one else really is).  If there is a sequel, as I suspect there may be, I will definitely go see it to see if some of my other questions are answered.</p>
<p>Alyssa, I think that is a completely reasonable critique of Firefly.  I liked it because I accepted it as a mash-up.  My biggest beef with Firefly is that they posit a Chinese dominant upper class but then we never see them, not even (I think) in the episode Ariel where if they had simply made most of the background characters of Asian descent (or more specifically Chinese, but whatever) you would have gotten a sense of that.  So - yeah.  But I do love the characters and the dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agreed with the world-building comment about District 9, mostly because I feel like they didn't make the aliens' plight easily understandable. Maybe that will come with subsequent movies, but right now I'm left wondering why they bothered to stop at Earth at all if, as we saw at the end, the ship was perfectly capable of leaving and sustaining at least 2 people on the return voyage.

As for Firefly, I don't want to get into a pissing contest with Wheadon fans. (Of which I am one, as I loved Buffy and Angel.) But I am of the strong opinion that while the character stuff may be good (and I'll grant that's Wheadon't strength, one of the reasons Dollhouse disappoints me so much is that his character building is by necessity curtailed by his premise) that the rest of that series wasn't a particularly imaginative take on the idea of space as another frontier to conquer. You can evoke the Wild West without dressing your characters in actual gingham, putting them in covered wagons and having TUMBLEWEED blow by while they escape from cattle rustlers and speaking with Texan accents. Either make a Western, or make a space show, but.. it was a huge disconnect for me, the scenes on the ship and the scenes on the planets. Two series who did similar premises were the anime Cowboy Bebop and Sci Fi's Farscape. Both which I felt evoked the feeling of the sorts of ungoverned frontiers you might find out in the bowels of space while still making it feel like a future society. I just can't imagine that a society where he's clearly laid out a merging of Western and Chinese society would regress to such a faithfully rendered version of the American Wild West. ;) That being said, it is a shame they gave Firefly so little time on air. Sometimes I think that shows have to go on for a little while before they find their groove. Farscape, which is one of my favorite series of all times, kinda sucks for the first half of the first season. It's cheesy and weird and a little  too serious. They find their groove eventually and the next few seasons are pretty high quality, which I think you can only get away with as a cable show anymore. So I do wish networks were willing to extend a little more time to series that show some promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agreed with the world-building comment about District 9, mostly because I feel like they didn&#8217;t make the aliens&#8217; plight easily understandable. Maybe that will come with subsequent movies, but right now I&#8217;m left wondering why they bothered to stop at Earth at all if, as we saw at the end, the ship was perfectly capable of leaving and sustaining at least 2 people on the return voyage.</p>
<p>As for Firefly, I don&#8217;t want to get into a pissing contest with Wheadon fans. (Of which I am one, as I loved Buffy and Angel.) But I am of the strong opinion that while the character stuff may be good (and I&#8217;ll grant that&#8217;s Wheadon&#8217;t strength, one of the reasons Dollhouse disappoints me so much is that his character building is by necessity curtailed by his premise) that the rest of that series wasn&#8217;t a particularly imaginative take on the idea of space as another frontier to conquer. You can evoke the Wild West without dressing your characters in actual gingham, putting them in covered wagons and having TUMBLEWEED blow by while they escape from cattle rustlers and speaking with Texan accents. Either make a Western, or make a space show, but.. it was a huge disconnect for me, the scenes on the ship and the scenes on the planets. Two series who did similar premises were the anime Cowboy Bebop and Sci Fi&#8217;s Farscape. Both which I felt evoked the feeling of the sorts of ungoverned frontiers you might find out in the bowels of space while still making it feel like a future society. I just can&#8217;t imagine that a society where he&#8217;s clearly laid out a merging of Western and Chinese society would regress to such a faithfully rendered version of the American Wild West. <img src='http://bordersblog.com/scifi/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> That being said, it is a shame they gave Firefly so little time on air. Sometimes I think that shows have to go on for a little while before they find their groove. Farscape, which is one of my favorite series of all times, kinda sucks for the first half of the first season. It&#8217;s cheesy and weird and a little  too serious. They find their groove eventually and the next few seasons are pretty high quality, which I think you can only get away with as a cable show anymore. So I do wish networks were willing to extend a little more time to series that show some promise.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not much to say, but I will step in and defend District 9. I've been a sf/f fan my entire life, and there haven't really been very many quality sf films recently, especially since fantasy - good and bad - is supplanting the genre in terms of popular following. But! I don't know if I exactly agree that the worldbuilding in D9 wasn't thought out thoroughly, as Kate said, but rather the victim of a different perspective. The setting is used as just that - the setting. It's a situation that's not explored because we're getting most of the story through a deeply selfish and cowardly character. True, they could have taken the mockumentary aspect and deepened it, made Wikus' story part of the background and bring the setting and unique situation out in the storytelling, but who knows what would have happened then? I enjoyed the movie for its filmographic prowess (WETA digital made some of the most brilliant looking special effects in any movie in the past decade on what amounts to a shoestring budget), for the ballsiness of having such an everyman for the everyman main character. Sure, the story at the end devolved into a tried-and-true chase, and left some of the other story-building aspects by the wayside, but honestly, I loved it. I loved it for its potential and for what it delivered. There were flaws for sure - the main villain was just an empty, evil random bad guy, but still, I loved it.

And woo Firefly! Have either of you seen Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog? I would recommend it. Nathan Fillion is in it, as Captain Hammer, a douchebag-cum-superhero, the arch-enemy of the titulat Dr. Horrible. It's on Hulu. Watch it now if you haven't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much to say, but I will step in and defend District 9. I&#8217;ve been a sf/f fan my entire life, and there haven&#8217;t really been very many quality sf films recently, especially since fantasy - good and bad - is supplanting the genre in terms of popular following. But! I don&#8217;t know if I exactly agree that the worldbuilding in D9 wasn&#8217;t thought out thoroughly, as Kate said, but rather the victim of a different perspective. The setting is used as just that - the setting. It&#8217;s a situation that&#8217;s not explored because we&#8217;re getting most of the story through a deeply selfish and cowardly character. True, they could have taken the mockumentary aspect and deepened it, made Wikus&#8217; story part of the background and bring the setting and unique situation out in the storytelling, but who knows what would have happened then? I enjoyed the movie for its filmographic prowess (WETA digital made some of the most brilliant looking special effects in any movie in the past decade on what amounts to a shoestring budget), for the ballsiness of having such an everyman for the everyman main character. Sure, the story at the end devolved into a tried-and-true chase, and left some of the other story-building aspects by the wayside, but honestly, I loved it. I loved it for its potential and for what it delivered. There were flaws for sure - the main villain was just an empty, evil random bad guy, but still, I loved it.</p>
<p>And woo Firefly! Have either of you seen Dr. Horrible&#8217;s Sing-Along Blog? I would recommend it. Nathan Fillion is in it, as Captain Hammer, a douchebag-cum-superhero, the arch-enemy of the titulat Dr. Horrible. It&#8217;s on Hulu. Watch it now if you haven&#8217;t.</p>
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